1986 transfomers movie
Moderators: Time Traveller, Kup
-
S0und_wave
- Decepticon Communications Officer
- Posts: 696
- Joined: Mon May 12, 2008 5:35 pm
- Location: New York
-
Rumble
- Decepticon Demolitions Expert
- Posts: 1884
- Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:51 pm
- Location: Micro-Cassette Recorder
The talk about Prime's death in the film made me think 'was it avoidable?'. I mean barely (if) anyone dies in the cartoon. So I am going to point out a few things that just didn't go Prime's way after his confrontation with Megatron. Please bear in mind this is a 'tounge-in-cheek' kinda post. 
1) The medical staff.
Prime draws the short straw on this one, having a scientist, not a doctor over looking his condition. Granted Perceptor is a brilliant scientist, but he's no Ratchet at the end of the day. Maybe if it had been a more compotent doctor Prime's wounds wouldn't have been fatal. (Yeah I know Ratchet is dead by then, but where was First aid? He's a doctor right?)
What about Kup? (Sorry old timer!) Kup gets the job of monitoring Prime's vital signs. Letting the 'bot who has stories for (almost) every situation keep tabs on something as boring as lines darting across a screen is a bad idea. His mind was probably elsewhere remembering what happened last time he got given that job. History probably repeated itself.
2) Prime's Bedside Company.
Arcee's (Sorry Arcee!) idea of helping the wounded is shown earlier in the film, dragging them across the floor into a pile, even if they are clearly non-functioning. I don't think having the air of death about her would make Prime feel all that hopeful that he's going to pull through.
Then theres Ultra Magnus (Sorry!), Prime's 'old friend' who doesn't help the situation by telling Prime that he is worng to pass the Matrix onto him. This in turn makes Prime dbout himself more, saying that he wasn't worthy. This surely eats away at what little is left of his spirt to continue the fight.
Hot Rod (Sorry!) is also there. Not really going to be on Prime's friend list now, having been one of the key factors in his severe injurys. Surely him standing right over Prime's face is going to be a bad Idea? I can think of more then one bot Prime would rather have at his bedside.
And of course, Daniel was there. The little human boy who is probably covered with grems and all sorts. What does he do with no one tring to stop him? Put his sticky little hands right near Prime's gaping wound in his side. I don't know if Prime could get an infection like a human could, but if he is that poorly why take that chance?
3) The attitude in the room.
As soon as his wounds are declared 'fatal' everyone just accepts it. Back in the old days (Season 1 & 2) the Autobots would have searched the galaxy for anything that could possibly save Prime's life. However all these new non-Ark bots don't even try to help make him comfortable. They just give up kind of like 'Well thats that then, he says the wounds are fatal'.
So there we go, I think thats everything I can pick holes in from that scene. Anyone have any other thoughts on it?
Oh and remember this is all meant in good fun. I understand that it was aimed at children as a way in which an old toy which a lot of kids had was replaced with a new one that a lot of kids would want.
Rumble.
1) The medical staff.
Prime draws the short straw on this one, having a scientist, not a doctor over looking his condition. Granted Perceptor is a brilliant scientist, but he's no Ratchet at the end of the day. Maybe if it had been a more compotent doctor Prime's wounds wouldn't have been fatal. (Yeah I know Ratchet is dead by then, but where was First aid? He's a doctor right?)
What about Kup? (Sorry old timer!) Kup gets the job of monitoring Prime's vital signs. Letting the 'bot who has stories for (almost) every situation keep tabs on something as boring as lines darting across a screen is a bad idea. His mind was probably elsewhere remembering what happened last time he got given that job. History probably repeated itself.
2) Prime's Bedside Company.
Arcee's (Sorry Arcee!) idea of helping the wounded is shown earlier in the film, dragging them across the floor into a pile, even if they are clearly non-functioning. I don't think having the air of death about her would make Prime feel all that hopeful that he's going to pull through.
Then theres Ultra Magnus (Sorry!), Prime's 'old friend' who doesn't help the situation by telling Prime that he is worng to pass the Matrix onto him. This in turn makes Prime dbout himself more, saying that he wasn't worthy. This surely eats away at what little is left of his spirt to continue the fight.
Hot Rod (Sorry!) is also there. Not really going to be on Prime's friend list now, having been one of the key factors in his severe injurys. Surely him standing right over Prime's face is going to be a bad Idea? I can think of more then one bot Prime would rather have at his bedside.
And of course, Daniel was there. The little human boy who is probably covered with grems and all sorts. What does he do with no one tring to stop him? Put his sticky little hands right near Prime's gaping wound in his side. I don't know if Prime could get an infection like a human could, but if he is that poorly why take that chance?
3) The attitude in the room.
As soon as his wounds are declared 'fatal' everyone just accepts it. Back in the old days (Season 1 & 2) the Autobots would have searched the galaxy for anything that could possibly save Prime's life. However all these new non-Ark bots don't even try to help make him comfortable. They just give up kind of like 'Well thats that then, he says the wounds are fatal'.
So there we go, I think thats everything I can pick holes in from that scene. Anyone have any other thoughts on it?
Oh and remember this is all meant in good fun. I understand that it was aimed at children as a way in which an old toy which a lot of kids had was replaced with a new one that a lot of kids would want.
Rumble.
R.I.P, Menasor.
I can't believe I thought Cassettes were the way of the future.
Is +1 on Kups list.
'Cons Have More Fun
-
Scrapper
- Gestalt Team Leader
- Posts: 269
- Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:47 am
- Location: Italy,southern europe
Well Perceptor saved Megatron 
from cosmic rust but after all he used pure scintific mind rather than ability in medicine.Ratchet could may have done more,even a miracle....I don't know First Aid well but he also must be very competent.
And for other Autobots;if Elita One would have been there he may have been stronger .I've read that some fans would have appreciated her presence.
I always wonder if Prime already understood that Ironhide,Ratchet, and several of his old friends were already dead(I highly suppose so);it's clear that he was the leader and he would have never give up but also this thing could also have eaten away his spirit...
from cosmic rust but after all he used pure scintific mind rather than ability in medicine.Ratchet could may have done more,even a miracle....I don't know First Aid well but he also must be very competent.And for other Autobots;if Elita One would have been there he may have been stronger .I've read that some fans would have appreciated her presence.
I always wonder if Prime already understood that Ironhide,Ratchet, and several of his old friends were already dead(I highly suppose so);it's clear that he was the leader and he would have never give up but also this thing could also have eaten away his spirit...
-
Grimlock
- Delicate, Loveable Dinobot
- Posts: 2187
- Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:12 am
- Location: Enjoying my life.
I remember watching an episode where the bird Decepticon blows Ops insides to bits and he survives. 
I wonder how come what happened to Megatron was overlooked, he was still alive when Starscream chucked him in to space, yet that is not remembered as much.
I also wonder where all of the other Autobots were when OP was dying, Springer and the Dinobots were not there ..............
Oh hang on ................
ME GRIMLOCK NOT CARE ABOUT OPTIMUS PRIME, HIM WEAK ...........
I wonder how come what happened to Megatron was overlooked, he was still alive when Starscream chucked him in to space, yet that is not remembered as much.
I also wonder where all of the other Autobots were when OP was dying, Springer and the Dinobots were not there ..............
Oh hang on ................
ME GRIMLOCK NOT CARE ABOUT OPTIMUS PRIME, HIM WEAK ...........
ME GRIMLOCK WANT TO MUNCH METAL
-
Commander Megatron
- Custom Rank 4 U! Ask an Admin!
- Posts: 8745
- Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:00 pm
- Location: Kolkular
Nobody cares.Snarl wrote:I wonder how come what happened to Megatron was overlooked, he was still alive when Starscream chucked him in to space, yet that is not remembered as much.
Seriously, it was played down because Megatron would have survived had Starscream not chucked him into space. The changing of Megatron into Galvatron thats different. Most people remember that. Prime dies and Megatron is reborn...works for me!!
-
Rumble
- Decepticon Demolitions Expert
- Posts: 1884
- Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:51 pm
- Location: Micro-Cassette Recorder
That's a case of doing things fast (Prime) or doing things right (Decpticons).Snarl wrote:I thought that it was funny that OP passed the leadership on to Ultra Magnus peacefully, while the Decepticons had a punch up to decide
Rumble.
R.I.P, Menasor.
I can't believe I thought Cassettes were the way of the future.
Is +1 on Kups list.
'Cons Have More Fun
-
Commander Megatron
- Custom Rank 4 U! Ask an Admin!
- Posts: 8745
- Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:00 pm
- Location: Kolkular
Rumble the breakdoen was superb. But could Ratchet have saved Prime if he were still alive? First Aid is a doctor but he is not in the class of Ratchet. Perceptor checked Prime over and maybe thought F*** it, by the time we get parts he will be dead. Ratchet I think would have been able to sustain him for a little longer but not by much.