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While freedom of speech is essential and we shouldn't stop this guy from speaking his mind, what I truly believe is...

if you don't like what he is saying, then don't listen to him and don't read the article or talk about it. The only thing you are doing by talking about this is making MORE people aware of his stupidity.

You think you are fighting for the rights of those he is bad mouthing, when all you are doing is subjecting more people to his verbal diorehhia.
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Actually, Wheesel, I think you hit it on the head.

The fact is that RE Autism there is much that needs to be discussed. It can be misdaignosed, although I'm not sure it's as frequent as you say. Primary Care Physiscian's have no businees diagnosing it, and if your PCP or Pediatrician says "Autism," he's a quack. The only thing they should od is refer you to specialists who know what the hell they're talking about. (The incompetence and ignoracne of the PCP's and Pedi's is why so many kids went UNDAGNOSED for so many years. So they shouldn't be trying to make up for it now.) But my first were diagnosed 5 years ago, and I know a lot can change.

But yeah: There's plenty stuff that needs to be discussed and debated. And not just with diagnosos but also with TREATMENT. Lord knows there's plenty of quacks out there pushing all kinds of "cures," none will work any better than wearing a rabbit's foot.

Plus there's the whole "What causes it?" question. A lot of (misinformed) people think "VACCINES," which is at best a half-truth, or a small piece of the puzzle, and they decide not to not vaccinate their kids. A very dangerous decision, if done for the wrong reasons. (PLus I've meant more than one non-vaccinated autistic. So it's BS, IMHO.)

But NONE of these discussions can happen properly when you have idiots like Savage spewing out this kind of nonsense. You can't beat Autism out of your kids. (I've tried.) (*I'm SO kidding!*) BUT I don't think ANYONE would ever accuse me of going too easy on my kids - both of whom HAVE autism. I still expect the same of them that I would any other child, and while I'm not STRICT (at least not in the OLD SCHOOL sense) I don't tolerate tantrums and screaming, they don't get toys or goddies just to shut them up, they do get punnished for breaking da rulz, and they have been spanked. (Though that's reserved for SAFETY related things or if their fighting and it's gets out of control. Boys will fight, but there's a limit to what's acceptable. But I'm sure in this day and age, I'd probably be considered fairly tough. So calling me "absent" or "weak" or "girly" of whatever... Boy... What I wouldn't give for three rounds of ameteur boxing with this f*ckn*t.

But that's the worst part, beyond what I took personally: This kind of public rant makes it difficult to have the appropriate discussions, that are needed to actually sovle the problem.

And Rod?

I hear you, and you have a point, but I also think there's a limit to the old "No such thing as bad publicity" saying. People buy products from comapnies that sponser this garbage and pay this @$$hole$ salary and keep this cr@p on the air. I work too hard to spend any of my money paying for this. I want people to know what they're paying for and supporting when they buy from his sponsors. And some who hear this will make these companies aware that they won't stand for it. And many of them will in turn pull their support. Hit 'em in the pocketbook, baby. He's been fired before. I'd just love to help make it happen again.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:While freedom of speech is essential and we shouldn't stop this guy from speaking his mind, what I truly believe is...

if you don't like what he is saying, then don't listen to him and don't read the article or talk about it. (...)
Sorry, but I disgress. The freedom of speech has to do with tolerance (which is not the same as respect). Can be tolerated intolerancy by itself? I don't think so. The world has already had enough of that.
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Hate speech should be protected by free speech. Unfortunately the current American judicial system and the ACLU disagree.
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Rattrap wrote:Hate speech should be protected by free speech. Unfortunately the current American judicial system and the ACLU disagree.
How do you figure? Has there been criminal prosecuiton or fines levied based on hate speech? (Fines for speech that wouldn't have violated exsisting broadcasting regulations?) As fas as I can tell, most of the stuff that's happenes to that lose thejob, show, forum or sponsors (none of which the constitution guarentees - the free market takes those things away.) And civil suits based on duress, defamiation, or actual damages or threats. (Inditing violence is NOT protected by the Con, nor should it be.) Now you may say that many of those court cases are BS... and w/o hearing the details Id be inclined to agree with you. But free speech only protects you from GOVERNMENT persecution. Not civil penalty or free-market punnishments. FREE-SPEECH can still have negative consequences. And FREE SPEECH doesn't guarentee anybody a stage (or a radio show) to speak from.

That be said I agree 100% that hate speech, and just about everything else, should be protected from GOVENRMENT prosecution. But, by and large, I think you'll find that it in fact IS. (Examples to the contrary? I'm genuinely interested.)

But don;t get me wrong... We do agree in princial. IMO, Voltaire said it best: I may not agree with a single thing you're saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. (I'm pretty sure that was Voltaire anyway...)
Jose wrote: Sorry, but I disgress. The freedom of speech has to do with tolerance (which is not the same as respect). Can be tolerated intolerancy by itself? I don't think so. The world has already had enough of that.
I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're saying, but if it's what I THINK you're saying, I agree.

To be intolerant of intolerance is not hypocrasy.

In fact it's perfectly consistent, and can exsist no other way.
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Post by Jose »

Niceguy wrote:
I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're saying, but if it's what I THINK you're saying, I agree.

To be intolerant of intolerance is not hypocrasy.

In fact it's perfectly consistent, and can exsist no other way.
I think you got it perfectly... It's just the ways change. I don't believe that all has to be ruled by free market, but it has to be backed up by some larger entity which I also believe, it has to be the government. After all, the government should represent the most common interests of a country - given the fact they are elected in democracy. So the exact way the American Freedom of Speech goes, it's not the same thing I'm criticizing. I firmly believe that letting everything just flow away, and that including hate speech, it's opening the gate for some worse things... First the right to live with dignity has to be granted, above of all.
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What did you expect to hear from Michael "Weiner" Savage?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage

This guy's totally off his rocker, and he seems to be a touch schizophrenic as I've heard him take both sides of the global warming issue in the same week. Beyond that, he's extremely full of himself, terribly boring, and the show is chock-full of meaningless drivel. Rush Limbaugh is at least entertaining. The fact that Savage is consistently rated one of the top 5 radio talk show hosts doesn't reflect well on the American public as a whole and frankly makes me a bit ill.
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Never even heard of him b4 this thread. If someone said that in the UK they would be locked up
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Dirge1 wrote:Never even heard of him b4 this thread. If someone said that in the UK they would be locked up
Let me add to what Dirge has said by saying that it would be a padded cell they would be locked up in. I don't know this guy Savage. But, Savage by name, savage by nature. What a blockhead. :x
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i keep sending him emails but i never get any replies
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Tell me your not surprised!
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not at all i have dealt with radio people like this before nothing they say or do surprises me, i knew that i would get no replies from this childish [edit]
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YES!!! We got 'em!!! He's not FIRED (yet :lol:) but he's lost sponsors and some networks have dropped his show!!!

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807220004?f=h_top

It's not much, but I'll take it!

TAKE THAT, @$$HOLE!!!!
THANK YOU MMFA!!!!
AND THANK YOU TO ANYONE HERE WHO GOT INVOLVED!!!!

(I'm going to keep up my efforts, I can tell you that! POWER OF THE INTERNET, BABY!!! GET THE WORD OUT!!!)

And Ghost? I'm glad that you've taken this on personally as well. But forget e-mailing HIM or HIS SHOW/SITE - call the radio stations in your area. Tell their staion manager how you feel. You can get a list of numbers here: http://mediamatters.org/action_center/s ... m/stations

Hit him where it hurts: RIGHT IN THE WALLET!
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