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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:00 am 
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So what do you guy's think about the whole 2012 thing? Not the movie. The actual Mayan prophasized destruction/renewal. The ancient Mayans ended their calender on December 21, 2012, The winter equinox.(for the western hemisphere anyways)

I've been watching alot of shows and documentarys about it. There was one on Syfy the other night. Did anyone here see it?

What are your opinions? We've had countless "world ending" prophacies in the past and none of them have come true. But the Mayans have been proven to have been quite accurate in theirs. According to one I watched on the History Channel, several ancient Mayan predicted events have occured almost exactly when they said they would!

Many Historians, Scientist, and Archeologist belive that the Mayans and may have had a better understanding of the universe and astronomy than we do today. Several ancient Mayan carvings depict Mayan kings traveling on what looks to be Rocket Ships!

Then theirs things like the pyramids and other wonders of the ancient world to consider. Many, Non-mainstream(typically denouced by the scientific community and popular historical belief) say theirs no way ancient humans with ancient tools could have built these things by themselves without some kind of outside(i.e. alien/godly) help... and from some of the documentarys and articals I've seen,read; I'm inclined to agree with them.

I don't remember where this one show on History channel said they were but there are these Megalith structures somewhere in the Asias' that are perfectly chiseled down to perfect right angles, with the depth of carvings(what I mean is the depth that they cut into the stone) are perfectly strait and the exact same depth from one end to the other! "It's like they were made with some sort of laser chisel!"(that was actually quoted from one of the historians on a of the documentary.)

According to not only the Mayans but the Egyptians, Aztec, and Sumerians, along with many other ancient cultures that I don't remember. The earth has been through several cycles of destruction and renewal. Almost every ancient civilization has a story describing this!

So what do you guy's think?

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Do I think the world will end in 2012? Nope. To me its all media hype. Y2K all over again. Without another celebrity show trial to cover, they needed something to do or they'd have to cover actual news.


But unlike some I've always been aware that radical changes could happen to the status quo. Most Americans seeing that we might have actually screwed ourselves enough to topple the present system naturally assume this is some sort of biblical event.

I think things will just change if it happens. The last century saw huge ecological devastation, economic ruin, and 2 world wars. And we're still here. things might get bad, even for years and years, but not forever.

there are constant stories in the news about how bad things are now. And I live in Michigan, one of the states going through the worst economic downturns, and one of the longest. And I'm still here, my utilities are hooked up, I have food in the fridge, and even cash to indulge my hobbies. And I have far from a good job. I think too many people don't appreciate what they have here. It could get so much worse before it reached the everyday standard too much of the world lives in.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:19 am 
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Catalyst Prime wrote:
So what do you guy's think about the whole 2012 thing? Not the movie. The actual Mayan prophasized destruction/renewal. The ancient Mayans ended their calender on December 21, 2012,...

*snip*

So what do you guy's think?


I think you watch too much television. I also think you shouldn't believe everything you see on television. If you didn't watch it on Nova, it's not truth, lol.

Newsflash: My 1981 Muppets calendar ended on December 31st, 1981! Did the world end? No. I just bought another calendar... and shoved that Muppets calendar in a box, so I could pull it out and re-use it in 2009!

Time for the Mayans to buy a new calendar. Or learn to count to 14 baktuns.


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I don't like to bring my faith to the web, but I think, as a christian, that nobody could ever know when the world will end except the "big guy" that made it, so I don't buy it one bit. I hope I haven't offended anyone here, just my opinion.

And heres a lighter note_

And if we all do go kablooie, then The Last Autobot will be awakened to reformat us.

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Catalyst Prime wrote:
So what do you guy's think about the whole 2012 thing? Not the movie. The actual Mayan prophasized destruction/renewal. The ancient Mayans ended their calender on December 21, 2012, The winter equinox.(for the western hemisphere anyways)



They sure picked a great date for the destruction/renewal. :P

I haven't seen or read anything about this, but I find it quite interesting. Was it ever mentioned exactly what would happen?

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And if we all do go kablooie, then The Last Autobot will be awakened to reformat us


Heck yeah I will!

And (wait for it) ugh! People who think the world will end on that day are horribly, horribly mistaken. It does not signify the end of the earth but rather the end of a cycle of their calendar. It's all rubbish, this end of the world business.

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Heck yeah I will!

And (wait for it) ugh! People who think the world will end on that day are horribly, horribly mistaken. It does not signify the end of the earth but rather the end of a cycle of their calendar. It's all rubbish, this end of the world business.


Couldn't agree more, my friend.

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There are still seven more B'ak'tun in a long count, and guess what happens then, its just a new long count. Its a calendar.

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I'm agreeing with the naysayers here, I guess. I won't be building a bomb shelter... Even if the Mayans didn't write out their calendar past 2012 or whenever, maybe they just knew that THEIR time would be through at least by then, so there was no need to start the next Long Count.
Now, don't get me wrong, maybe some big change will roll about on this little mudball on that date, but I doubt anything will END.

Just in case.... Minerva dear, hurry up and move over here so we can enjoy the last three years of existence together! :D

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Just in case.... Minerva dear, hurry up and move over here so we can enjoy the last three years of existence together! :D


Sounds like a great idea! Would you pick me up at the airport tonight, then? :wink:

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Two things:

One, the entire prophecy of the world ending due to "Planet X" was actually supposed to happen a couple years back, but that was blended with the entire 2012 thing in order to give it more "pop."

Second, there are multiple calenders that were found from the Mayans that ended on different dates, some previous to, and some after 2012. There was a method to the madness that is too great to go into here, but let us leave it at "it all depended on the size of the rock they were carving it into." The 2012 one was just considered to be the most significant discovery, as it proved there mathematical abilities were far more advanced than the Europeans gave the "savages" credit for when they came here to conquer.

In short, it is a bunch of poppycock.

Now the skulls from the last Indiana Jones movie are far closer to actual truth (and no, I am not discussing the Mitchell/Hedges Skull).

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Two things:

One, the entire prophecy of the world ending due to "Planet X" was actually supposed to happen a couple years back, but that was blended with the entire 2012 thing in order to give it more "pop."


Yeah. though the Mayans never even remotely suggested or depicted such an occurrence...it was just a prediction made by a woman living in Wisconsin who purported to be in confidence with aliens, who in turn based her predictions off of an israeli economist who misinterpreted sumerian and assyrian reliefs. The whole Planet X debacle she was peddling originally came from the "Nibiru" "research" of Zecharia Sitchin who published his "independent research" in the 70s. The man is an academically trained economist who taught himself sumerian and assyrian....from where he deduced his Nibiru doomsday scenario. He's been widely discredited by both scientist and pseudo-scientist alike, due to his blatant misinterpretations of sumerian and assyrian reliefs (he's not formally trained in the languages, after-all). In fact sitchin himself says Nibiru will come to pass in the year 2084 (if i remember correctly) and he insists 2012 is nothing but a sensationalized joke (ironic). It's that woman from Wisconsin who is in contact with gray aliens who makes the prediction...

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Second, there are multiple calenders that were found from the Mayans that ended on different dates, some previous to, and some after 2012. There was a method to the madness that is too great to go into here, but let us leave it at "it all depended on the size of the rock they were carving it into." The 2012 one was just considered to be the most significant discovery, as it proved there mathematical abilities were far more advanced than the Europeans gave the "savages" credit for when they came here to conquer.

In short, it is a bunch of poppycock.


They have multiple calendars but one particular thing about the 2012 phenomenon that particularly sets it apart from legions of other "doomsday" scenarios is that this is an instance where wide and disparate cultures (Mayans, Chinese, Hopi Native Americans, Aztecs, Indians) have some significance associated with 12/21/12 because they have calendars which coincidentally end on that same day, once you convert their counting systems for days and years into our modern gregorian one.

I personally am 100% sure that something will happen that day, as is customary to occur: the winter solstice. Beyond that...I wont be so presumptive as to say there is no chance whatsoever of something happening.

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I studied economics and finance in college and post-college but history is something i have always found intriguing since 9th grade, and there is just "something" going on with all these ancient cultures having so many things in common with each other, yet they would have no means of communicating or exchanging such ideas. Why do so many cultures around the continents have the same depictions of a terrible flood that devastates the world? growing up and being raised in a christian family I had always thought that the "great flood" was exclusive to the Bible...yet the sumerians, the indians, the mayans, the chinese and many other cultures all have depictions of a great flood erasing civilization and forcing survivors to rebuild. Why does almost every single ancient culture depict itself as receiving laws and wisdom from "sky gods?" Why is it that some ancient cultures were deathly afraid of the sun no longer rising in the sky, to the extent that they perform human sacrifice to appease the "sun god" to ensure its return the next day?

There are countless questions and just some bizarre facts that still remain unexplainable...for instance, how surprised would people be if they knew that the Great Pyramid at Giza is exactly situated in the center of the land mass of the entire world?

My gut feeling is that nothing extra-ordinary will occur. Mostly because it's been so sensationalized that for something large-scale and/or cosmic to occur on 2012 would indeed be comical, for then despite all the iron-oxide raining down from planet x passing within our gravitational field or the nuclear fall out causing acid rain...nobody took it seriously when people were crying and yelling about it 3 years previous (even in the form of a movie).

However I rationally must also keep in mind that possibility of something "eventually" happening. the more I read about ancient cultures the more it becomes apparent that they witnessed some fantastic things which they could only interpret and record in terms they could understand. The more I read about them the more their knowledge of astronomy and physics in many ways outstrips our own today. In sum...these old cultures either experienced something, or were in some form of contact with even more ancient cultures, cultures that are so old that documented evidence of their existence isn't available. they may have been highly imaginative, true....but when you have no computers or tv or telephones to distract you and exchange ideas...how do people separated by oceans and hundreds, even thousands of years all come up with some identical themes??

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I think you watch too much television. I also think you shouldn't believe everything you see on television. If you didn't watch it on Nova, it's not truth, lol.


So you say I shouldn't believe anything I see on the Discovery or the History Channel? My history professor would have to argue that. As he uses alot of material from the latter.

I personally don't know what to take away from all of this. I'm someone who loves to speculate, theroize, and wonder, and I don't think that just because something lacks scientific proof or support mean's it can't happen. In all honest I hope something does happen. Why? Because I'm not very fond of the world or it's current state of affairs and I think we need something like this to start anew. Now am I going to make a bombshelter or become one of those hobo prophets on a street corner with a cardboard sign? HELL NO. Do I 100% believe everything I've seen on these documentarys? NO. But I do think that something will happen. Why? Because their are too many storys of mass destruction and global renewal in a multitude of ancient cultures for at least some of it not to be true.
Why would so many civilizations have storys, prophacys, whatever you want to call them of a great flood ect... if it never happens? Our oldest known written story is the epic of Giglamesh(Spelling?) which depicts what? A great flood!

@ Overlord: It's nice to see a fellow history lover here. I see you have seen and read alot of the same as me. I have never heard anything about the lady in Wisconsin or the Stichin person. But I don't listen to anyone who says they've spoke with aliens or received a vision, unless their is scientific proof.
What gets me though is so many ancient cultures haveing so much in common. Did you know that in '94 i think, a Japaness diver found a small pyramid, a large stonework stage, and several animalistic statues underwater off the coast of some islands(If only I could remember the names) that all beared striking resemblences to Aztec and Mayan architecture! Apparently many scientist have disputed the find as just freak coincidences of nature and erosion buy the currents. But erosion can't create 90 degree angles or eagle heads!

Also have you heard about an ancient egyptian temple that the wall carvings depicts them using light bulbs? I can't remember the name of it for the life of me I think it started with a D, maybe Dilphek or something?
Apparently though only the highest ranking preist of the egyptian gods were allowed to enter this temple. Along with this discovery was the "Baghdad" Battery, a clay pot with a flint core wrapped in a thin sheet of copper that if you put a acidic substance(in the demonstration they used orange juice!) in and stir or shake it creates a electric charge! I don't remember when it was discovered but it was dated to be at least a thousand years old. And proves that at least some cultures had discovered and implemented electicity long before we rediscovered it in recent history!

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I think its pretty stupid, the worlds not going to end in 2012 and life will go on like nothing happened.

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I agree and I also believe after 10,000 years the mayans probably got tired of working on the damn calender

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This whole thing was started by a white man who misinterpreted the calendar.

Nothing the Mayans ever said predicted the end of the world.

Their descendants think it's bull.


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Also the Spanish destroyed so much of the Mayan culture maybe they had the another calender and the conquistadors destroyed it.

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bringing up an old thread, but i just noticed it......


The world will end after I am finished draining all the energon resources from it.

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i agree with galvatron, even though prime wouldn't let that happen... just sayin!

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I don't think anyone can put their finger on an exact date. Our Solar System will have a perfect alignment in the year 2012 and is most likely the basis for end of days predictions by the Mayans and other ancient civilizations as astrology played a major part in the creation of their calenders. That and it only happens once every 26,000 years or so. You can also point to most of the Bibles prophecies being fulfilled or have already been fulfilled to this point and the fact that numerical coding is riddled throughout pointing to 2012. I believe Nuclear war will have a major role and that the entire Earth will be consumed with fire and inhabitable because of it. Famines will flourish as crops will not yield a harvest and rivers will dry up. Money will be worthless as "looting" or "raiding" the homes of middle/upperclassmen will become survival for the fittest as a barter system replaces our current economy. To each his own......but something will happen soon. 2012-2020.

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