Reflector sticket sheet question

mandyseven · Post by **mandyseven** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:45 pm

hi,

does anyone know if the word "Reflector" is part of the sticker sheet, or did that come on the figure already? Thanx

Jose · Post by **Jose** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:30 pm

It's factory applied.

mandyseven · Post by **mandyseven** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:15 pm

Oh ok.. thanx for the reply

Avolow · Post by **Avolow** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:06 pm

Hi,

So if the Reflector sticker is on a sheet included in the package, it is more than likely a KO?

I found a "New in box" and "Factory Sealed" Reflector online, but the Reflector sticker is on a sheet, not the bot. The rest of the package looks legit other than being a little to perfect for 20+ years old.

Are there any current KOs out there that copies the mail order oxes and packaging with the rest of the bot?

Avolow.

Dinobot · Post by **Dinobot** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:52 pm

Currently there are many copies of reflector out there. One way to be sure he's legit in the box, he came in an all white box with transformers mail away as the only print on the front of it. If its in a box with artwork on it, chances are its a knock off. If there is a sticker sheet with the word reflector on it, its a knock off. Reflector is factory applied, and I think the diaclone version said Microx. Im not very good with the diaclone stuff though.

Banzai-Tron · Post by **Banzai-Tron** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:41 am

Dinobot wrote:Currently there are many copies of reflector out there. One way to be sure he's legit in the box, he came in an all white box with transformers mail away as the only print on the front of it. If its in a box with artwork on it, chances are its a knock off. If there is a sticker sheet with the word reflector on it, its a knock off. Reflector is factory applied, and I think the diaclone version said Microx. Im not very good with the diaclone stuff though.

The Diaclone version said Microx... but then, so did the vintage Taiwan knockoffs. To further complicate the mess, they've knocked off Reflector with the mail away box too, so you can't be certain that's real either.

Reflector in general is an absolute mess to collect, thanks to the sick number of vintage and modern knockoffs.

Avolow · Post by **Avolow** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:47 am

well, Its a knock off. I guess looking at auction pages when you are sleep deprived isn't a good idea. Today I notice the word Reissue that slipped past my hawk eyes last night.

(removed ebay link)

I wrote last night to see if this seller could send me a pic of the Takara markings, but haven't heard anything back yet. Doubt I will get a response after seeing the word Reissue.

Just out of curiosity, have any of the KOs been made with the Takara branding or is that a pretty safe find?

Avolow.

Avolow · Post by **Avolow** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:55 am

Looking at it in the picks, it is not a bad looking fig, it looks better than my vintage KO. If it was more in line with a KO price I would actually consider it.

Avolow.

Post by **Minerva** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:26 am

Does anyone know how many different versions/releases of Reflector there are, and how to tell them apart?

Also, no eBay links please!

Banzai-Tron · Post by **Banzai-Tron** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:54 pm

Hoo boy. I *hate* this can of worms every time it gets opened up.

Firstly, the knockoff you showed Avolow DOES have Takara markings, but IS NOT made by Takara. Hence knockoff. Anyone that claims these bootlegs are "reissues" is flat out lying (or, I suppose, just ignorant).

As for the number of Reflector variants, lets see if I can get this right (I'll probably miss a few, and may not be aware of a few), in the (rough) order of their release:
1) Original Takara Diaclone "Microx" Reflector
2) Knockoff Microx (at least 3 different version in my possession alone)
3) US Mail Away Reflector version 1
4) Japanese Reflector
5) Updated US Mail Away Reflector
6) Updated Japanese Reflector
7) Modern Reflector Knock-offs (There are at least 3 variations of this as well, including, I believe, sophisticated versions that ALREADY have the "Reflector" sticker applied to the robot)

The VINTAGE Knock-offs had the decency to either leave off the Takara stamp, or include a "Made in Taiwan" stamp. That's how you can tell the VINTAGE Knock-offs body parts from the legit Takaras.

There's NO simple way to describe how to tell real Reflectors from modern fake Reflectors... the easiest thing to say is that you want to be looking at the level of detail and craftsmanship. Legit version will have significantly better mold details, sharper/more defined edges and whatnot. Same goes for discerning genuine Reflector parts from either modern OR vintage Reflector/Microx parts. There are some tabbing variations on the missiles, and hollow/solid variations on the guns, but to my knowledge, these variations have all been knocked off at one point or another.

Reflector isn't really the chap you want to buy randomly off of Evil-bay these days... tons were sold by unscrupulous folks as legit, tons more passed on by ignorant folks that didn't know better. If anyone *still* thinks the G1 accurate knock-offs are an OK thing, and a good idea, I point you to the Reflector mess.

So, are we all clear now?

Dirge · Post by **Dirge** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:03 pm

* scratches head *

i dont think im going to bother with getting reflector then

i like all my tfs to be genuine G1

Dinobot · Post by **Dinobot** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:03 pm

I luckily scored my genuine g1 in the days before the knock off craze.

Bumblebee · Post by **Bumblebee** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:12 pm

guess when it comes to the time all im missing is reflector i will have to keep my eyes on trusted transformer sites like this one lol (need to figure out how to clone myself for the arm and leg it will prolly cost then

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skywarp408 · Post by **skywarp408** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:04 pm

Maybe i should post pictures of mine. I'll try to put some up soon.

Jose · Post by **Jose** » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:36 pm

Just FYI, there are no "Diaclone" Reflectors, unless you are thinking of the French packaged version. Still that one is a Microchange toy.

I can only tell the vintage KOs are a bit more sloppy in the cast compared to the real ones, and the weapons and overall sizes aren't interchangeable. The new ones, I could only tell by having them in hand.

So, whenever you want to go for a Reflector, pay what you would for a fake, or buy from a seller who is willing to guarantee to give you a full refund in case it's a fake.

Post by **Minerva** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:12 am

Thanks Banzai-Tron, Jose.
Seems to be easier said than done to find an original Reflector. I think I'll do what Bumblebee suggested: stick to trusted transformer sites.

Banzai-Tron · Post by **Banzai-Tron** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:11 am

Minerva wrote:Thanks Banzai-Tron, Jose.
Seems to be easier said than done to find an original Reflector. I think I'll do what Bumblebee suggested: stick to trusted transformer sites.

At this point (and no offense to Trance, or anyone else with a "trusted" site), I doubt the ability of almost anyone to tell them all apart and/or reliably cobble one together from multiple sources.

The easiest thing at this point is provenance... you want to find one from someone (or purchase one from Trance, that purchased from someone) that ONLY has vintage G1's.

And yeah, I know there's no Diaclone Reflector. Just tacked Reflector on the end out of habit and clarity. Just like I call a Diaclone Blue 4Lux Trailbreaker.

Err, EDIT: Ooops, I see your point. Micro-change, not Diaclone. Another bad habit. I just call ALL Pre-TFs Diaclone... because I'm lazy.

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