devastator or dinobots

Overlord · Post by **Overlord** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:00 am

Dirge1 wrote:
AGCO doesn't own Cat
Agco most definatly does own Cat, but not the construction division just the agri division. More specifically the Challenger brand.

http://www.agcocorp.com/default.cfm/PID=1.7.5

is the link, but I dont know how to link it.

I'm sorry for getting into technicalities...but this is one of my "pet peeves"...

....

Well TT was correct. AGCO purchased the division from Cat, which Cat split off in 2002. So AGCO doesn't own any of Cat the company...they own a division which originally was a part of Caterpillar. This completely different from say, Ford owning Volvo/Mazda, as mentioned above. So it's incorrect to say that AGCO owns the agriculture division of Cat...Cat sold it to them..it's no longer Cat's. Again apologies for the details but I have been drilled into this line of thought so much that it now bothers me when I see terms used incorrectly.

Anyway to clear up any and all confusion....here is a list of AGCO's subsidiaries...Cat isn't listed.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/ ... xv21w0.htm

Dirge · Post by **Dirge** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:26 am

Groupement International De Mecanique Agricole SA, is a 50% joint venture between AGCO France SA and Renault Agriculture

I think, and I may be wrong, that this info is out of date as Renault agriculture is now fully owned by Claas, who themselves produced the Challenger for a time in the green white and red coulours of Claas. But having just read the history books from my collection of all things agriculture you are correct in that Agco does not own Catterpillar the company but the bought the rights, patents and marketing network of the agri division primarily the Challenger tracked tractors and as far as I understand it allowed Claas badge engineer the Challenger tractor. It does get confusing with everyone buying everyone else out and names dissapearing from the market. In fact the ONLY tractor maker to have remained from its origins to the present without being bought out is John Deere.

Post by **Time Traveller** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:05 am

I suppose. You could say that Cat is still in its origins, since it was just a name change away from Holt, and even though they sold challenger agricultural, they still make track-type crawlers

Grimlock · Post by **Grimlock** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:20 am

Okay, you lot are getting too technical for me now.

Post by **Time Traveller** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:17 am

don't get me started on WWII tanks, or you'll be here for a vorn!

Dirge · Post by **Dirge** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:43 am

I know absolutely nothing about tanks other than david brown had something to do with the gearboxs during ww2

Grimlock · Post by **Grimlock** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:13 pm

I bet Galvy knows a lot about tanks

S0und_wave · Post by **S0und_wave** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:34 pm

i think this went of topic..

Grimlock · Post by **Grimlock** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:43 pm

Just a little, maybe, possibly. But we did teach rumble the history of Valtra tractors, for which he must be eternally grateful

Rumble · Post by **Rumble** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:45 pm

Snarl wrote:Just a little, maybe, possibly. But we did teach rumble the history of Valtra tractors, for which he must be eternally grateful

*Rumble busies himself carving his new found knowledge into stone.*

Rumble.

Grimlock · Post by **Grimlock** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:51 pm

STONE ????????? Just put it into your hard drive ....... oh, sorry you are a cassete not a CD. Hang on while I hit the record button .........

Rumble · Post by **Rumble** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:55 pm

Carving into stone is just as modern... err I mean MAGNETIC TAPE, the best storage medium EV-A!

Rumble.

Grimlock · Post by **Grimlock** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:07 pm

Just nearly twenty years out of date and you can fit more on a CD than an old 8 track tape

Post by **Time Traveller** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:47 pm

who said anything about 8-tracks?

Grimlock · Post by **Grimlock** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:49 am

I was only guessing ...............

Computron · Post by **Computron** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:03 am

S0und_wave wrote:i think this went of topic..

I was so just about to do that as well.
I would have said dinos. just to the point that there are so many DEV parts out there that people are giving them away. That's how I got mine, doesn't every one get Devastator parts given to them?

Post by **Time Traveller** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:58 am

not the hand guns, drill bits, or mixmaster's single and dual missiles

Ironhide · Post by **Ironhide** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:38 am

On topic, W-T-F is THIS?
Has someone been busy welding or what...?

Looks mighty nice though!

Hound

Kup · Post by **Kup** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:33 am

that's a nice kitbash

Overlord · Post by **Overlord** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:39 pm

that is a custom made by...i forget the guy's name.

but he posts on the the tfw2005 boards and is a well-known customizer/scratch-builder/kit-basher there.

That devastator is huge...he put a pic of it next to G1 devastator and everyone felt some dev envy.

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